{"id":3825,"date":"2017-10-30T14:13:33","date_gmt":"2017-10-30T20:13:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/?p=3825"},"modified":"2017-10-30T14:13:33","modified_gmt":"2017-10-30T20:13:33","slug":"wordfence-employee-admits-the-company-knows-wordfence-security-wont-stop-all-hacks-as-they-continue-to-claim-otherwise","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/2017\/10\/30\/wordfence-employee-admits-the-company-knows-wordfence-security-wont-stop-all-hacks-as-they-continue-to-claim-otherwise\/","title":{"rendered":"Wordfence Employee Admits the Company Knows Wordfence Security Won&#8217;t Stop All Hacks as They Continue To Claim Otherwise"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What we have been noticing more and more is how much lying is done by the security industry. Considering that trust is an important part of security and you often have to rely on their claims about what protection their products and services might provide, that is a big issue.<\/p>\n<p>One glaring example of this when it comes to WordPress related security, is a prominent claim made about the most popular security plugin, Wordfence Security. The second sentence of the description on its <a href=\"https:\/\/wordpress.org\/plugins\/wordfence\/\">page on wordpress.org<\/a> is:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Powered by the constantly updated Threat Defense Feed, our Web Application Firewall stops you from getting hacked.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Could a WordPress security plugin stop some hacks? Sure. Can it stop all them, as this unqualified statement by the makers of the plugin would lead to you believe? No.<\/p>\n<p>People do\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pluginvulnerabilities.com\/2017\/09\/15\/wordfence-security-causing-full-path-disclosure-security-issue-on-some-websites\/#comment-5158\">believe that claim though<\/a>, as we were recently reminded by a topic on the WordPress Support Forum that we ran across while doing monitoring for our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pluginvulnerabilities.com\/\">Plugin Vulnerabilities service<\/a>. The topic is titled &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wordpress.org\/support\/topic\/hacked-anyway\/\">Hacked anyway!<\/a>&#8221; and the message reads:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Well.<br \/>\nI installed Wordfence, and got hacked anyway.<br \/>\nNot sure whether or not to trust it anymore.<br \/>\nA defacement hack by the look of it.<br \/>\nYet, when I run a full scan, it tells me all is OK.<br \/>\nWTF?<br \/>\nAny suggetions?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/wordpress.org\/support\/topic\/hacked-anyway\/#post-9626646\">reply<\/a> from a Wordfence employee reads in part:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Often when we see sites get hacked despite having Wordfence, or we see them getting hacked repeatedly it\u2019s because of a vulnerability on the server.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So they know how they promote the plugin isn&#8217;t accurate, but they continue to market it that way anyway. This is far from the only lie that we have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/2016\/12\/19\/wordfence-continues-to-peddle-false-claim-of-brute-force-attacks-to-push-plugin-that-doesnt-protect-against-real-threat\/\">seen from the company behind Wordfence Security<\/a>. We wonder if and when the public will realize that the company behind it isn&#8217;t trustworthy?<\/p>\n<p>The other thing worth noting about this situation is that it is also a reminder that Wordfence Security isn&#8217;t all that great at detecting that websites are hacked, which is also contrary to what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/2017\/10\/02\/if-wordfence-security-doesnt-find-any-malicious-files-on-your-website-it-doesnt-mean-that-it-isnt-hacked\/\">people have been lead to believe<\/a>. If it was better at that, someone could try to make an argument that while the plugin can&#8217;t stop a number of types of hack, it could provide effective mitigation against the damage caused by those hacks.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What we have been noticing more and more is how much lying is done by the security industry. Considering that trust is an important part of security and you often have to rely on their claims about what protection their products and services might provide, that is a big issue. One glaring example of this &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/2017\/10\/30\/wordfence-employee-admits-the-company-knows-wordfence-security-wont-stop-all-hacks-as-they-continue-to-claim-otherwise\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Wordfence Employee Admits the Company Knows Wordfence Security Won&#8217;t Stop All Hacks as They Continue To Claim Otherwise&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25,3],"tags":[40,163],"class_list":["post-3825","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bad-security","category-wordpress","tag-wordfence","tag-wordfence-security"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3825","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3825"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3825\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3829,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3825\/revisions\/3829"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3825"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3825"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.whitefirdesign.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3825"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}